全部看完还是很震撼的,越到后面越精彩。
我喜欢的P竟然就这么走了,太惨烈。
我觉得看女子监狱是颠覆我三观的,在现实生活中,我们至少会对一些对你有帮助的事物表示感谢,对一些你所不齿的事情嗤之以鼻,对绝对违反条例的东西敬而远之,可是里面偏不,这也难怪,身处在这样的险恶环境,人人都要居危自保。
这一季的分支故事可能没有前两季那样出彩,所以这一季的新人物鲜少有被我记住的。
即使是讲海利的故事,也是轻描淡写,没有太大的作用。
最后一集,对P的描写,应该是全季最轻松的时刻,最后的奇妙之夜,最后的回眸一笑,再见了,乐观开朗的P,再见了,积极向上的P,再见了。
相比上一季轻松安详和谐的结尾,这一季结束的有点沉重,但是愈加激起对下一季的期待。
那就,明年见了。
很喜欢piper卖内裤那个时期拽拽的样子,但是后面发现她真的自作自受了,Alex有警告过她但是她没放在心上,还有这一季的狱警真不是好东西,甜甜圈男把蛋糕扔泥里让上帝姐爬去吃,神经男听到拉丁姐妹花的讨论后让拉丁妹吃活老鼠,还有那俩胡子男也超恶心,以及海利给人一种想要拯救世间万物但他什么也不是的感觉
这季咋的了,piper怎么成跳梁小丑了?
看着她静静地装13我都快乐死了,比她跟alex百合大战还可乐!
要给她点color看看了,看到第三集!
第五集的呐喊就像是美国白人的呐喊似的,白人憋屈的好像说啥都是错的似的,所以川普上台也可能是这个原因,太憋屈了!
干啥都会被人说成种族歧视!
小监狱映射大社会?
所以这季分上来了吗?
西语国家的人在美国的人口数这么多了,马尔克斯的魔幻现实主义起源地的人民好像就是喜欢诗意,习惯懒惰,西语听起来也是如此,虽然听不懂,我到底在瞎唠什么!
despacito好听
这一季看的感觉很压抑,尤其是快结局的时候Poussey就这么下线了,感觉她是黑人女孩里最善良的一个,哎!
看剧透说压死Poussey的那个狱警到最后也没有得到相应的惩罚,不知道是不是因为两个人物的性别与肤色的对立,不知道后边三季什么样子?
还有Daya她的妈妈出狱后她的状态感觉在一直黑化,最可怜的还有Lolly,就感觉她的入狱的原因就很……把她抓进监狱是因为她有精神疾病而不是真的以正常人的身份袭警,却被关起来,然后还是因为她自身的问题被关进精神病院了吧?
E01Bell: Maybe this is it. Maybe they've finally decided to riot. O'Neil: You know women don't riot. Bell: Oh really? Do I know that? Maybe this tipped them over, and you know what that would mean. 首尾呼應 E13.Piper: I am a force to be reckoned with.Flaca: (regarding Piper) Cold like a bomb pop from way back of the freezer. She may look so la, la, la... but she the one.E04 Healy: Why is the NSA or the military interested in our garden? Lolly: Cause I... I killed a guy and chopped him up and buried him in the garden. Healy: You killed a guy? Lolly: Yea. He was a hitman. He worked for an international drug cartel that was back by the United States, probably the CIA. Oh, it could have been FEMA. They've been targeting me for a long time. Have you ever heard of, uh, of Rex 84? No, of course you haven't heard of it, it's classified. Healy: As a counsellor, i know everything that goes on here. So, if someone, anyone... was killed here on campus, I'd know about it. Lolly: So, you're saying I didn't kill anybody? Healy: No... I don't believe you did. Lucky for you I got lots of experience dealing with this kind of things. If only Healy knew the truth. His ignorance and arrogance.E05 Maritza: You know what gets me so hot? Is when guys compare me to breakfasts, and when they talk about me like I'm not even here. How about you call me 'that oatmeal in the front seat' and I'll be so yours?Maritza: What, I don't get any love? We don't get touched a lot here, except by the lezzies. Sometimes, you need a little human little contact. Especially by an expert. Maritza has got to be one of the breakout characters this season, once we learn more about her. E6 Poussey: Look, maybe... this challenges what you thought you were. And maybe I'll get my heart broken in a thousand different pieces. But those are maybes. You can't live your life according to maybes. Alex: Whatever you need to say to me, you can say in front of my good friend Lolly here. Lolly: That's me, I'm the good friend. Piper: I didn't know you two were so close. Alex: You didn't get the, uh, friend announcement that we sent out?Lolly: Okay, that was like, watching a really bad play.E7 Piper: We are members of a Community task force. Big Boo: They are a white power group. Sankey: That's not true. Not officially. But we are working on it. Lorna: I don't think racism should be a group activity. It's private.Gloria: Happy your girl's back? Red: You don't realise there's a piece of you missing until that piece comes back and immediately pokes fun at your dye job.Nicky: To understand a degenerate, you have to enter the mind of a degenerate. Fortunately, I have years of experience.Hapakuka: I'm sorry I can't help you... but I'm rooting for you too.E8 Red: She has friends. Maybe not you, but other people. Piper: I should have been there for her. Red: You had other things on your mind. Being a panty kingpin took a lot of work.Red: When God gives you a swastika, he opens a window. And then you remember... there is no God.E9Piper: Do you know what I want? A burger.... from Shake Shack. Alex: I legit just like, teared up a little bit. Seared on the grill with tomato and melted cheese...Piper: On a fresh, soft, potato roll. Alex: With a milkshake. Piper: Nah, don't get greedy. Alex: It's my fantasy. And I can have a milkshake with a side of Cate Blanchett. Piper: My vein hurts right now and you're thinking about sex? Alex: No dummy. I want someone to massage my head and she looks like she'd have really cool fingers.Lorna: You know, if you're gonna poop in the shower, at least you could plan ahead. Like, do it in a shower cap and take it with you after. Just common decency. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you? I mean, I know for some people, drug is the most important thing. But guess what? For the rest of us, we have feelings. And noses and gag reflexes. And janitorial is hard enough without you leaving your mess behind, once you found what you've been looking for. And I think you might have worms. So deal with that. Lorna really cares about Nicky.Alex: Think of it this way. You have maybe five minutes of pig-in-a-blanket, for eight or nine minutes or pure burger bliss. Just don't look down because if his dick looks like a chicken neck, you'll never unsee it. Piper: Why are we assuming that I'm the one who's gonna be doing it? Alex: Cause you're the straight one! Piper: Fuck you. Guaranteed lifetime tally you have given more handjobs than I have. Ten to one. Alex: Only to get out of having sex. Piper: Whereas I just had the sex. Ergo, this is your field of expertise. Alex: You think this kid needs an expert? I seriously doubt he's a connoisseur. Also, you're the one that gave him the handjob idea to begin with. Piper: Because society has conditioned me to see female sexuality as currency. Alex: Right! And it's time to spend a little in exchange for a burger. Piper: Touché.Guard: Is this some kind of a game? Flores: Jenga is a game. This is civil disobedience.Aleida: I gotta ask you a favour. Dayanara. Gloria: You know I'ma look out for her. Aleida: Don't let her get into trouble. Gloria: She's a good girl. Aleida: All the shit she's been through. This place could change her, you know? Turn her cold and mean. Gloria: I ain't gonna let that happen. Aleida: And even when you feel like giving up. Don't let her see nothing like that on your face. You gotta hold her up, you hear me? She's your daughter now. Long as you're in here. Gloria: Daughters. Aleida: They're the fucking worse.So much foreshadow.Judy: You know you can cheat on your wife with hookers who indulge you in your diaper fetish and still be the senator from Louisiana, as long as you apologise. See this is the great thing about the love of Jesus. Black Cindy: Oh no don't you start with me about that holy white evangelical bullshit. They a buncha hypocrites. Killing science and education and refusing to marry the nice gay couples. But then being all 'rah rah the holy land' when they really think... that my people got horns and we all gonna broil in hell. Judy: Oh wait, hold up. You're Jewish? Soso: I cannot believe that those powers just smoked us on the unspoken interracial prison couple power ranking.Poussey: Well we ain't about competition, all right? We just doing our thing, our real thing. Soso: I know. I'm not trying to sell us short or anything, but it's like they're Beyoncé and Jay Z and we're just Kim and Kanye.Poussey: Yo that hurts. I ain't gonna lie.Sister: I have a phone. With a camera. In a very uncomfortable place. Gloria: You're one crazy bitch. I really liked the sister and Gloria's mutual care for Sophia. Ofcourse the sister's care stemmed from her friendship with Sophia, but if you look back at season one and how Sophia developed her friendship with the sister, it is really touching. At the same time Gloria's care stemmed from her guilt of being a part of sending Sophia to SHU, but it's none the less so heart warming. This is a big part of the show where there's always care and love between the prisoners.E11 Piscatella: A man is dead. Do you really have that little regard for human life? Oh no Piscatella. It's you who has that little regard for human life.E12 Piper: If you could go back, ten years ago or whatever, and do it all over again, would you?Alex: Fuck no. Piper: Then you wouldn't have met me. Alex: Are you kidding? It didn't matter what choices we made, we would've ended up right here... on this fucking bed... sitting next to each other in prison. Piper: Doomed to be together. Alex: Exactly. Is this a foreshadow that you guys are not gonna end up together...? :( Caputo: Listen to me. This place isn't for someone like you. This place crushes anything good. It's like a monster that's grown too big for its stubby little legs, and now it's stumbling around, crushing whole cities. You can't survive it, Bayley. Bayley: Are you the city or the monster, sir?Caputo: Neither... both. Even if you're the city now, one day you'll be the monster. Working here... changes who you are. You understand me? 預言成真... in less than twenty minutes.E13 Red: Busy boys don't have time for trouble. I smell trouble coming. I want this family busy. This makes me so worried about Nicky, Alex and Pipers fate...I feel like Caputos speech is for the press, and General Washington to dig deeper. Knowing that he's a general. If they do, they'll see the lies behind Caputo's speech. And mcc will be screwed.
记不起上次被美剧震撼到是什么时候了,绝命毒师?
格蕾?
这部剧一口气刷完,那些被称作意义的东西交织进剧集,让人深感编剧对美国文化讨论的深度,敢于对复杂的人性做如此展开性探讨,这不仅仅是一部剧,是对社会现象研究后上交的论文,在此对编剧团队表示崇高的敬意。
这部剧给人的感受岂止停留在感慨人物命运的层面上,纬度多到不可枚举。
种族:从人类文明开始认识到种族问题开始,发展到现在,已经远不止于歧视与被歧视、种族与反种族了。
高等文明号称消除种族主义,但是种族意识是人类文明发展的根基,所谓人以类聚,这是天性,可怕的是将种族问题上升为主义,更可怕的是唯种族主义的主义、利用种族主义的主义、偏执的种族主义。
人性:剧中展现太多种人性,每一种都能再写一部剧。
监狱这样极端的环境,让中产阶级道德优越感沦落为滋生新纳粹主义的温床,让拉美群体从厨房走向组建贩毒黑帮,让黑人群体对被奴役和被歧视的历史更加敏感,让the others继续在夹缝中求生存。
最后两集力挽狂澜,把冲突集中在斗争二字上,人与人的斗争、人与体制的斗争、人与现实的斗争。
感情:人在绝境中,会做很多愚蠢的选择,但是我仍然愿意相信,人字的结构就是互相支撑。
那些爱情、友情、亲情,那些陪伴、抚摸、支持,甚至嫉妒、猜疑、憎恨,只要还有一点良知,仍然有机会走上自我救赎和宽恕他人的路。
宿命:许多剧对宿命的编排始终让我着迷,对人物闪回的描写,是对这个人物宿命的回答,让人惊喜的例外仍然出现在最后两集,对P的过往好像上次故意漏掉的一段,P和小狱警的命运交集,就像搭乘了纸箱时光机。
一切都是刻意又不经意的安排。
P.S.超爱Alex
这一季给我最大的感触就是不可控。
尤其是出现了那些强势变态狱警之后。
尤其是最爱的P最喜欢音乐的P最喜欢看书的P最喜欢苏苏的P因为不可控死掉之后。
人生有诸多无奈。
有时候因为自己胆小怕事,有时候因为自己用力过猛。
有时候因为意外。
萝莉被带去精神病A区时,艾利克斯杀了那个杀手时,海利走向湖里时,大黑粗连眉尿裤子时。
但是也有超级超级超级超级搞笑的时候。
只是写给我自己看的)大概是至今最喜欢的一季,前面剧情平平铺垫较长,第二集甚至是我隔了将近三个月才开始往后看,但越看陷得越深,等反应过来才发现这一季是个泥潭尺度越来越超出我的想象,从分尸开始就隐隐暗示出这部已经逐渐脱离了单纯的监狱喜剧,监狱溢出的新人物没有让故事变得臃肿,反而让剧情更接近了现实,过去发生过最严重的事情也许就是第一季过量吸毒自杀的脏辫女孩儿,以及后面逃出被撞的V,熟悉人物的出现和离开都在意料之中,然而这一季的失去变得更加突然和密集,完全打破了之前我对它温吞的印象。
最突出的人物就是洛莉,说实话因为她有点神经质一开始我很不喜欢她,但是她救了Alex而且即使害怕也没有供出同伴,作为一个饱受敏感神经和精神分裂折磨的可怜人,她所吃的苦比她获得的帮助实在多太多,虽然我很讨厌海利,但他是当下唯一在精神上短暂宽慰过她的人,他们坐在时光机谈论回到过去的那几分钟让人忍不住落泪,但是我们都知道只有土豆回不到过去,自己也有问题的海利先生没办法真正的拯救洛莉…连能回到过去的纸箱时光机最后也被琳恩这对吸毒二人组砸的粉碎,洛莉只能永远困在跟自己的对话里这一季实在太过于深刻和现实,好多人的遭遇让人喘不上气,比如我一开始以为是喜剧boss的piper被打上纳粹的标签还无意间培养出了白人至上的怪物团体,看似对大家热情友好的朱迪其实从来没有真正想融入过监狱,还有我们的珀比,她这么文雅可爱浪漫,又充满了文学气息,没想到会迎来这样的结局…最后闪回的那集纽约奇幻夜,简直是珀比之死的点睛之笔,像爱丽丝梦游仙境,女人其实是男人,僧人其实是嬉皮士,地铁上路人敲打着音乐,小孩儿趁妈妈熟睡从包里拿钱,珀比带着笑看着今晚的一切,在注视河边灯光的时候肯定想不到自己有一天会安静的躺在食堂的地面,生活就是这么操蛋和不可思议…最后也要表白一下修女,除了伯赛特的妻子之外唯一一个一直试图拯救朋友的人,也是身份看似保守但其实最反叛的人,虽然现在看到第五季好像隐隐暗示了她的结局,但我希望她一切都好
女子监狱真是有每季都让我觉得就这?
然后到了最后一集就变成,我草,太牛逼了!
的这种转变。
为优秀的情节安排和转折点赞。
我在boo和Doggett谈到“原谅”这个话题的时候真的是在边狠狠吐槽编剧的同时进行了一番更深一步的思考:也许,“原谅”也是一种妥协。
而“不原谅”才是一件需要特权的事情。
因为稍微想想吧,如果是我遭受了Doggett所遭受的事情,被别人强奸了,然后恰巧我又是个有权有势的人,我可以选择花大价钱请律师让他坐牢,我可以动用私刑把他关在我的地下室里并且不受任何法律的处罚,我可以尽情报复他,我可以不原谅他。
但是,我要是跟Doggett一样的处境呢?
我是囚犯而他是狱警?
我无权无势,身处一个会被无缘无故关禁闭只为维稳的监狱?
那我毫无选择。
我为了不使自己余生都生活在痛苦和自厌中,我只能选择原谅他。
那么我至少能获得逻辑的自洽。
所以,我告诉自己,Doggett做什么我都不会站在道德制高点去指责她。
这是我对这个角色及角色之外的理解。
但是对于编剧呢,我认为他们展现的东西还没有到这个层面。
剧情给我的感觉只是简单的表现了Doggett字面意义上地原谅了强奸犯。
而并没有提到或者说暗示这种“原谅”是无法避免的,毫无选择的,在逼仄环境下失权性的。
另外不满的地方则是nicky和lorna这对怨侣什么时候能结束纠缠??
我真的厌烦了。
感觉她们就像被编剧强行用规则之力绑在了一起!
能不能放过彼此。
能不能有点新的组合?
唉。
red说让孩子们忙起来这样就不会搞破坏,结果分配任务又把小情侣们凑对在一起,啊?
这样不更得搞出事情来吗?
都过了四季了感觉这群人拆开重组谁和谁都不熟。
这种安排更让人觉得不爽,nicky和lorna这种组合并不像命中注定,反而像编剧没活了硬把她俩凑一起强行注定。
并不会让我嗑到反而让我好讨厌这种被编剧不可抗力绑住的感觉。
第一次写,觉得应该好好准备一下,却又觉得很多感触,稍纵即逝。
就像女子监狱的女囚们,有闪婚的,有热恋的,有出狱的,有与CO擦出了短暂美好却始终隐隐作痛的,有被那些因为战争变得行尸走肉般CO胁迫吃了小老鼠的,有因为分不清楚真实与幻想而最终落得精神病区的,有彼此相爱相杀分道扬镳后因为爱因为感触因为害怕因为寂寞又黏在一起的,有终于从暗无天日的max出来的亦男亦女和重操旧业复吸又决心戒毒的。。。。。。
囚犯也是人,也应该享有尊重。
Caputo和Piscatella以及他的人不同。
Bayley和Piscatella以及他的人不同。
但是面对讲稿和发言,Caputo也仅仅是为了让Bayley拜托罪恶与愧疚,选择了开脱,美味姐说,他们甚至没有提她的名字。
Piscatella以及他的人,各个都是满目苍夷的战争幸存者。
他们看了太多的生死,泯灭了他们对待生命的尊重。
混混沌沌得,想要摆脱记忆中的战乱,想要通过他人的疼痛,抚平自己的伤口。
胖胖把Bayley送回家,他虽说着,你必须熬过去,但是末了,他说,会很难熬,特别是那些噩梦,但是醒着同样难熬。
重压下的暴动,谁也没能预见Poussey的死。
谁又都可以预见,MCC对于她的死的漠然,以及急于开脱急于黑化Poussey急于对Bayley泼脏水。
那个手无寸铁,体重不到90斤的姑娘,那个想要学坏让Piper还他一次handjob的孩子。
很喜欢最后3集,长长的铺垫。
整个监狱都在密谋团结一致赶走Piscatella,大家放下了种族放下了过往,终于找到了敌人的敌人。
节奏慢下来了,但是又仿佛各个点走在走向爆炸,谁都到了零界点。
她们反抗,她们被镇压,她们亲眼看到了Poussey的死,她们因为Poussey的尸体而被隔离在食堂之外。
而她们没有看到的是,Bayley的泪水,甜甜圈的克制,厨娘的3p以及不顾一切的逃离。
那一首等了太久的别歌,那一带存了太浓的私酒,那一排倒下来把Suzanne压到无法呼吸的书架,那一名因爱痴狂而被打成猪头的傻妞,以及最后留下悬念的一把充满憎恨的手枪。
举起手枪的Daya,她的心头除了愤怒,还有因为妈妈出狱迷失的疼,因为那个给她留下孩子却突然不再等待的悲。
不知道Daya会不会开,也不知道如果自己是Daya,会不会开。。。。。。
这季编辑是不是疯了,各种的不合理,人物性格突变得无法接受。
剧情有点拖延,还是期待第五季
下季追不动了,女主太圣母
难得的一对感情稳定拉拉,结果直接生离死别,不得不说剧情是有点荒谬的。男人做错事永远有人擦屁股,操蛋的世界。
让两个囚犯互搏重伤,狱警还压死了一个很好的角色却不用承担法律责任,一如既往地虐女
眼睁睁看着我的两个女主一步步变成了配角……
我最爱的角色死了……流下猪泪……
监狱从来都不是让人往好的方向转变的地方,只不过是让你伤人的刺暂时隐藏起来的地方罢了!很多人其实不是拉拉,因为寂寞时间长了才会如此吧!这一季少了拉拉场面,多了人性刻画!人物有血有肉!刻画真实有感!★★★★☆
第一季到第三季花了两个月补完,第四季花了一年看完。崩了崩了,不想看了😷
又是一年的等待啊!Daya千万别做傻事啊~~~ Poursey的死很让人心痛~~~ 没想到那个 Maria 成了 mafin啊~~~ Red还是挺酷的~~~ Crazy Eyes 还有ally好可怜~ Mr healy 是咋回事啊,有心理障碍了???
一个女主慢慢变成配角的剧
海利真配不上红妈!三女分尸笑死了!女主飘的快升天了,确实需要收拾
难受的说不出话 每个人背后都有故事 或许是愉快的或许是悲伤的 相聚于此地 人性被逐渐抹杀 暴力源于暴力 【最后一集加上一星
the strongest season yet
事态升级 氛围逐渐凝重 在监狱这个逼仄的环境中种族歧视 阶级对立 身份认同等矛盾被无限放大 Lolly-Healy和Poussey-Brook这两条线都非常耐人寻味 还是不得不服群像刻画实在牛逼 P在布鲁克林街头的魔幻一夜迷之泪目 不舍
@2016-10-21 21:19:05
看到最后快要哭晕过去,现在的心情处于“到第四季还是这么好看太厉害”和“fuck this show再也不看了”之间。
不太对个人胃口。特定环境下,特定人群的群像。。。
保持在美剧巅峰水平 最后两集太悲痛
为啥让我P领便当!